Nervous System Regulation and Devotion To Self
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Nervous System Regulation and Devotion To Self

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Bhakti is the practice of loving devotion designed to bring you closer to the divine. Spirituality is the connection to something larger than yourself, something outside of yourself, and doesn’t necessarily have to do with religion or divinity. What do these two things have in common? Because when you put them together with tools for nervous system regulation like yoga and mindfulness, you can cultivate a devotion to the parts of yourself that are worthy of support, of care, and of nurturing, and those parts which are connected to the wider global community of humanity and the universe itself.

In this episode I examine the idea that spirituality is completely divorced from meditation and mindfulness as they’re often used today, and talk about how bhakti can help us create radical acceptance and radical self-love with the belief that we are worthy of care. I also discuss what nervous system regulation means to me, and how all of this is combined.

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(Transcribed by TurboScribe. Go Unlimited to remove this message.) The easy answer, and I admit the one

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that I have been guilty of from time

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to time, is a kind of black and

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white thinking that makes you think that taking

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the spiritual out of practices like yoga, and

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meditation and mindfulness is a Western thing to

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do.

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And to some extent, that is true.

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However, that type of thinking also does not

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fully grasp the work of Swami Vivekananda, as

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well as BK Iyengar, and others who are

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working very diligently to bring yoga to audiences

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in Europe, in the Americas.

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And I've sat with this, I've taken several

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classes on yoga, on Buddhism, on histories, both

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medieval and earlier histories and more modern histories.

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I've read a lot of books, I have

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a lot more books to read, just I've

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really sat with this.

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And the answer that I have kind of

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come to is that, while my personal preference

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is to incorporate the spiritual into my practice,

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I also choose to look at it a

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little differently than a lot of those who

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are proposing the black and white thinking.

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And that's what I wanted to talk to

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you about today.

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I'm Kit Kaelstoe, your host.

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And I want to start today by going

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over a topic that I know you've heard

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me talk about before, but I feel like

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it really sets the groundwork for what we're

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about to discuss, which is regulating your nervous

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system, using tools to regulate your nervous system

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as a form of devotion and in conjunction

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with your spirituality without necessarily falling into the

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thinking that you may have about what spirituality

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is, specifically religion.

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So I always like to begin these conversations

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by just reiterating that when I talk about

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spirituality, I am not talking about organized religion

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or religious faiths, or any sort of belief

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in a deity or deities or spiritual deity

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religious system.

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That's not what I'm talking about.

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When I talk about spirituality, I follow the

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dictionary definition that is found in the Merriam

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-Webster dictionary, m-w.com if you want

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to look it up, that basically says spirituality

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is a devotion to something larger than yourself.

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Full stop.

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Doesn't define what that is, doesn't state that

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that has to be within a certain belief

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system within a certain religious framework.

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It's simply a devotion to something larger than

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yourself.

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That could be a concept.

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So in today's conversation, we're talking about tools

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like yoga and meditation that often had a

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spiritual or religious component to them, but not

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necessarily depending on who's teaching, what school and

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lineage everything came from.

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Or they may have been completely removed from

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that, which is something that's happened a lot

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as these tools have become studied more diligently

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for their health benefits.

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So we see this in Mindfulness Based Stress

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Reduction, MBSR, which is taught, I believe, at

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Brown University.

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I know I'm on their mailing list.

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I really want to take some of their

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classes eventually.

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We could look at, there is a form

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of Yoga Nidra that was specifically developed to

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help veterans with PTSD.

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And when we look at that, I know

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there's also a hospital in Texas.

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I've heard the gentleman speak that's doing a

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lot of work with meditation and mindfulness in

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cancer patients.

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So when you think about the health benefits

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that these have, meditation, mindfulness, being present, and

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the ways that they're studied for pain relief,

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for relaxation, for sleep, for mental health conditions,

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then the spirituality is pretty much divorced from

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them.

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What I would like to talk to you

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about today is to bring the spirituality back.

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And the larger than yourself.

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And again, I just want to say it

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could be a concept.

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And with that concept, we could think of

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it as inner peace, relaxation, feeling good, whatever

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good means to you, being calm and present.

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That could be a concept that is part

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of your devotion.

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It could also be a devotion on a

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larger level, for example, like the planet, or

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compassion.

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It could also be devotion, or thinking of

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connecting with the universe, the broader universe, the

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global community of humanity.

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Whatever that concept or whatever they bring to

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you, that would be part of spirituality.

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And the reason why I mentioned this is

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because there is a school of yoga called

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bhakti yoga.

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Bhakti is devotion.

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And the devotion of bhakti takes many different

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forms.

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Bhakti comes from the Sanskrit root bhaj, which

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means to divide, share, or partake.

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And it implies a two-way sharing of

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love and affection between the devotee and the

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divine.

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It is not just an emotion, it is

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also considered to be an active, committed engagement.

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So bhakti is something that you do, you

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experience it, but you experience it through the

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act of doing.

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Bhakti yoga is considered one of the primary

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methods or yogas to achieve that spiritual realization

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of union with the divine.

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And to do that, you're going to use

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love and affection as an active bond that

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unites your consciousness with divine consciousness.

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And it is very accessible.

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And it also emphasizes simple actions, like an

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offering, like a flower, a cup of water,

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over more expensive rituals, over more specific rigid

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rituals.

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And you can find this devotion expressed a

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lot of times through singing or chanting or

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reciting hymns, something that you may experience if

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you ever watch videos like on YouTube of

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like kirtan.

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There are also seva, or performing acts of

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service as an offering to the God.

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And I'm talking about God here.

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But I think it's important to note that

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in Hindu philosophy, everything is an expression of

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Brahma or the universal divine.

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And so even though there may be different

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deities, even though there may be different actions,

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it is all the universal divine spark.

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And your your bhakti or your devotion or

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love also connects with the spark of divinity

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inside of you.

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So if we broaden our lens just a

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little bit, you know, one of the things

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that has really resonated with me is hearing

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that the you know, we are all the

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universe made flesh, we are the universe trying

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to figure itself out.

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And so it's doing that in human form.

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So if our devotion is to the universe

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or to the wall, the wider community of

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humanity, then that bhakti or that devotion could

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be to humanity in general, the spark of

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the universe that is inside all humans, the

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spark of the universe that unites all of

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us.

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And I think that's important to think about

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because when we talk about neuro, when we

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talk about our nervous system regulation, the things

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that come along with that neuro nervous system

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regulation is sometimes a lot of feelings that

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we're not worthy.

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We might feel that we're different from other

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humans that we don't know how to human

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correctly, that we don't quite feel like we're,

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you know, we're right, we feel like we're

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broken, we feel like we're wrong.

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And a lot of that has to do

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with the stories that we were told by

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other people trying to get us to conform

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to their ideas of what humanity should be

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like, or what we should be like, as

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far as somebody that's connected with their cultural

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beliefs and ideas.

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And so, for me, when we start thinking

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about radical kindness or radical acceptance to of

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ourselves, radical love to ourselves, to me Bhakti

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falls right into that same line of thinking

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that it is radical devotion to ourselves, not

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in a way that places us above anybody

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else, not in a way that says that

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we're better than anybody else.

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But a radical devotion to ourselves or radical

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love to ourselves, because we are just as

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worthy of devotion, or we are just as

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worthy of love as anybody else on this

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planet.

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It's the kind of thought process where if

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you start if you if you get into

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that mindset where you feel like you're not

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worthy, or you feel like you're not deserving

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of something, then you start to think, well,

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you know, if these other people are deserving

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of it, what do they have that I

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don't?

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And there may be material things or physical

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things that they have that you don't.

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But at the end of the day, as

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far as we know, you know, we're all

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human.

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You know, we're all human and those physical

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things really have absolutely no bearing on our

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humanness, or our worth and our deservingness of

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things that every human is deserving of human

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rights, housing, food, water, love, companionship, companionship,

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understanding, self determination, I could go on the

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list of things that we are all deserving

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of, and that no one has a right

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to take away from anybody else is very

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long.

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And it is very egalitarian, because we all

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have the same rights to those.

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And so to me, bhakti is a devotion

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or a love of self.

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Because through that I am connecting with the

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part of me that is connected to the

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larger world that's connected to the divine, the

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ecosystem inside my body, that mirrors the ecosystem

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of this planet.

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And I actually have a podcast, probably in

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a couple of weeks, I think I haven't

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looked at my schedule recently, that will be

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talking a bit about that.

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The ways in that my wild nature, the

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parts of my brain that maybe aren't considered

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as civilized, like my amygdala, that that, you

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know, that lizard brain, science and psychology calls

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it the lizard, the amygdala, the lizard brain,

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because it's very much fight, flight, free, flee,

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freeze.

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But it also has those very primal urges.

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And no matter, you know, how fancy our

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clothes, no matter how civilized we think of

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ourselves, we all still have those primal urges.

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And what sets us apart is our relationship

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with our fellow beings on this planet, and

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how we treat our fellow beings on this

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planet.

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So when we think about bhakti, and devotion

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to nervous system regulation, I really think for

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me, it's taking the scientific minded, the prescription

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that I have spoken against, and I still

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do, I feel like we can't just prescribe

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yoga or prescribe meditation.

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While I can certainly tell you that they

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help.

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And the way that I approach them is

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different from just like writing a prescription for

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a medicine.

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I also think we are all different enough

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that it's very much not one size fits

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all.

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And I think one of the keys to

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finding a way of meditation that works for

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you is to be able to find a

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way to access or that makes that practice

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accessible to you, a way to make that

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practice work for you.

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And bhakti or devotion is one way to

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do that.

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So how does that look when we're talking

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about nervous system regulation?

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First of all, what is nervous system regulation?

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Well, there are probably as many different definitions

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of that as there are practitioners, and then

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you can probably double that number of definitions.

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For me, when my nervous system is regulated,

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it means that if I am triggered, so

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let me back up a bit.

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When I talk about nervous system regulation, I

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am not talking about never, ever being triggered,

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never ever being depressed, never ever having an

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experience that is less than ideal.

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When I'm talking about nervous system regulation, I'm

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talking about being in tune with your body,

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in tune with your thoughts, in tune with

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what's going on with your mind.

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And this may be difficult, especially for my

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neurodivergent community, because one of the great stories,

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and great is in air quotes there, that

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we're told by the people around us when

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we're younger, is that we can't trust what

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our own body is telling us, what our

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own mind and body and nervous system is

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telling us that something is too much and

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overwhelming.

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We're told we need to ignore that because

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of some random arbitrary reason.

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So one of the first acts of bhakti

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or devotion is simply listening to yourself and

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honoring what your body is telling you.

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Being curious.

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For me, curiosity goes hand in hand with

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devotion.

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Because when I am curious about something, I

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want to explore it.

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I want to learn more about it.

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I want to find out how it fits

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in my world or in my worldview, and

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how I can connect with it.

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You know, it's like when you when you

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see a cat, maybe it's a stray cat,

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and you may crouch down and you'll hold

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out your hand and make the noise.

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You know, you're curious.

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You're like, Who are you?

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You know, are you friendly?

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Would you like attention?

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What do you need?

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It's that sort of, I'd like to get

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to know you better, but I'd like to

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do that on your own terms, not rush

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over, pick you up and squeeze you in

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a big hug.

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That might be fun for you.

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Not so much fun for the stray cat.

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Likewise, for your nervous system.

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Your nervous system is going to freak out

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if you do that.

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It is much easier to take a slow,

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cautious, curious, Hey, okay, I'm feeling something.

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What am I feeling?

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What is coming up for me?

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Oh, I'm realizing I'm overwhelmed by this sensation

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in my body.

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I should probably quit ignoring that sensation, which

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for me recently was my chronic pain, and

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actually tried to do something to help it

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and see if I can't bring my overwhelm

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levels down.

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And lo and behold, if I actually tried

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to treat my pain, instead of ignoring it,

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I can bring my overwhelm levels down.

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That's bhakti, inaction, devotion to yourself to regulate

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your nervous system.

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So when I talk about regulating the nervous

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system, I'm talking about being aware.

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So if you are triggered, because it's going

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to happen, it's not something we can avoid

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no matter how much you try.

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Especially if like me, you're a ADHD, because

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the the quiet calmness that soothes the autism

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kind of drives the ADHD part of your

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brain up the wall.

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So it's trying to find that happy medium.

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And sometimes you go too far in either

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direction.

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So when you have that regulated nervous system,

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you can recognize Oh, I just got triggered.

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Okay.

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What do I need right now?

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And if you don't know what you need

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right now, can I just sit with this

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feeling and explore it?

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Or can I just sit with this feeling

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and be curious about it?

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Okay, maybe I'll try some some breathing exercises.

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Breathe in, breathe out.

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Okay, I'm feeling calmer now.

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That seems to work.

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Let's do that a little bit more.

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You know, I'm not I'm not talking about

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a strenuous, you know, like hot yoga practice.

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You know, oh, I've been sitting at the

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computer hyper focusing for an hour working on

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something.

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Maybe I should move.

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So I'm going to get up, I'm going

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to stretch, I'm going to do a couple

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yoga poses.

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Okay, that felt good.

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Do I need to do some more?

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Am I ready to sit back down and

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work for another stretch?

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What do I need to do here?

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You know, I start my morning with a

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sun salutation with a small yoga practice.

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Because that kind of that settles me after

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the nightmares I have in the evenings when

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I sleep.

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You know, okay, now I'm settled.

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Now I can face my day, that sort

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of thing.

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So when we start thinking about those practices,

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not as prescriptions, not as medicinal practices, but

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rather as care and devotion that we deserve,

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and that we are entitled to, we can

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begin to combine bhakti or love, or the

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spiritual, you know, the spiritual connection with something

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larger than ourselves, with being in tune with

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our own body, with understanding that our body

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is made of star stuff, the same elements

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that are in the stars are in our

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bodies are in our earth is in everything

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around us.

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And so we have that larger connection.

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We have that connection with the wild earth

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with with the earth that we try to

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tame, you know, thunderstorms roll through.

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Well, if you think about your system, you

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know, storms roll through your body as well.

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That's what tears are.

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When you cry, that's a that's an emotional

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release.

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You know, the the emotions, the hormones, the

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cortisol that all gets too much in the

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body.

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And it and for me, it comes out

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my eyes.

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And so I cry.

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You know, when the grief gets to be

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too heavy or too much, it builds up

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like energy in the atmosphere.

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So if you start to connect those two

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things, you start to see that just like

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there is gentle waves, as well as larger

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waves when there are storms, but there's always

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movement on this planet.

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There's always cycles.

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There's always times of rest, followed by times

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of activity.

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And when you think about all of that,

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and you make that connection, then incorporating those

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those cycles, those movements, the periods of rest,

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the nervous system regulation into your own body.

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When you start to combine all of that,

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you really start to see that we are

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connected to something larger than ourselves.

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So I know I've been speaking very, very

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abstract.

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I've been speaking kind of in big sweeping

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generalizations here for this podcast.

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So I would I would like to just

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invite you to think about maybe not even

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something as strenuous as a full sun salutation

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or a full session of yoga.

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I'd like to invite you that when things

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start feeling overwhelming, when things when you start

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feeling like when you get that, you know,

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that drumbeat of too much, too much, too

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much in your brain, when I invite you

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just to stop, take a deep breath, release

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that breath, and just bring your focus back

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to your body and back to your breath.

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That for a moment, you can set aside

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the too much, the to do list, the

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everything you need to do the people, the

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critters you need to take care of, the

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chores, the finances, the job, everything that this

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life throws at us.

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Set that aside for 30 seconds to a

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minute and just breathe and see how that

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feels.

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It might feel really good.

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It might feel really weird if you're not

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used to that kind of, okay, I need

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to take 30 seconds for me devotion.

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You might feel as if you're doing something

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wrong.

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You might feel as if you're going to

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get in trouble if you take time for

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yourself.

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Because again, that's another one of those stories

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that kind of gets, you know, pushed into

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our psyches.

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Whatever you're feeling after that 30 seconds is

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perfectly normal and I don't want you to

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give up on it.

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If your brain tells you, oh, I took

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30 seconds, I want to get in trouble.

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I invite you to be curious.

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Will I?

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Does something come up in the next hour,

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in the next 30 minutes, in the next

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10 minutes that would make you think that

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you're getting in trouble?

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Now, if you're at a work environment and

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you take 30 seconds to breathe and somebody

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says something to you, I want to tell

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you that, you know, that very clearly is

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not a healthy, that that is a toxic

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work environment.

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Unfortunately, too many of our work environments are

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toxic.

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But I want to reassure you that if

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that happens, that's not your fault.

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If you need to take 30 seconds to

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breathe and you're in an environment that doesn't

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allow you 30 seconds to breathe, that's not

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a good environment to be in.

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That's an environment that thrives off of making

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you feel bad.

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And I would encourage you to think about

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what you might need to do to change

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that.

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I understand that not everybody can.

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I understand that there are, there are times

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when you just have to, you know, be

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where you are and make the best of

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it.

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And so what I might encourage you to

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do is if you get home, take that

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time to breathe when you get home when

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you're alone.

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Just check in with yourself periodically over the

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next week.

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What can I do to support myself?

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What do I need right now?

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How can I help myself feel more regulated?

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That is bhakti.

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That is a true act of devotion.

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That is an act of love.

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And that is an act of love that

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has ripples across everything that you do.

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And it has ripples even outside of yourself.

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thought.

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